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Transcript of Call with Rik Dietsch
This is the transcript of a conference call in which physicians and other health care practitioners were able to ask questions of biochemist Rik Deitsch about the activated liquid zeolite detoxifier.
Like the conference call itself, this transcript is intended solely for information purposes. It is not intended to market or promote any product or to be used as medical advice.
Rik Deitsch: It’s always a pleasure to do calls like this. As far as my background, I’m a biochemist. I’m really an academic at heart. I call myself the accidental business man. I realized the only way to get the job done is to put a business spin on things. I’m the CEO of Nutra Pharma Corporation, which is a publicly traded biotechnology company, and we have drugs in clinical studies for HIV and MS. I’m also a nutritional biochemist, and I’d rather be able to prevent disease than to have to treat disease.
To that end, I’ve done over 30 clinical studies on dietary supplements, and I’ve formulated dozens of dietary supplements. The one trend I see that seems to be increasing is the trend of people taking ownership of their health and becoming partners in health with their physicians. Instead of waiting for something bad to happen and having to go to the doctor, they’re trying to be more proactive for their health. Part of that is the understanding that we live in a toxic environment. We’re surrounded constantly by environmental toxins and pollutants, and a great many of the diseases that are so prevalent today are directly caused by a weakened system because of these environmental hazards. With that in mind, I think the watchword in dietary supplements is going towards detoxification. We really jumped in with both feet with liquid zeolite. I’d be happy to take questions now.
Question: I’m aware you have a relative who is a transplant recipient. Can you talk to us about the safety of using liquid zeolite with someone who has either a kidney or other organ transplant?
Rik: The danger in being a transplant recipient is you don’t want to do anything that increases immune system reactivity or stimulates the immune system. So many products claim to be immuno-stimulants or immune system boosters. There is a large population of transplant recipients and people who suffer from auto-immune disorders – like multiple sclerosis, or myasthenia gravis, or lupus erythematosus – and those people can’t do anything to increase their immune system function because, in their case, it is their immune system that is causing their problem. So if you increase the reactivity of the immune system, you could in fact make their disease worse. Liquid zeolite is not an immuno-stimulant. It’s an immuno-modulatory agent. It seems to make the immune system work more efficiently. So the immune system works better. As such, it is perfectly safe for people with auto-immune disorders and for transplant recipients.
In my personal case, my father-in-law is a polycystic kidney disease patient, PKD, which is one of the most common genetic disorders that causes renal dysfunction. He received a kidney transplant a few years ago, and his BUN and creatinine levels – which are measures of renal function – were increasing pretty quickly over a few months. They thought it could be a rejection episode, but certainly it shows renal failure and renal insufficiency.
|They were talking about putting him back on dialysis, maybe putting him back on the transplant list, when he started using liquid zeolite. Within a couple of weeks, his BUN and creatinine levels came down sharply, and he was basically out of danger. It could have been that it was a rejection episode, and stabilizing the immune system stabilized against that rejection episode.>
Question: We were told just this past week that we should not recommend or use liquid zeolite for a transplant patient.
Rik: I don’t know who told you that. We’ve had no problem whatsoever with people with autoimmune diseases or with transplant recipients
Question: That’s super. My wife has MS, and I was a little hesitant to have her take it, but we’re watching her anyway.
Rik: Just so you know, I’ve been working with MS patients for 12 years. If you decide to do some investigation yourself, you can go to NutraPharma.com. We have a drug entering phase-two clinical studies for multiple sclerosis. I’ve been giving nutritional advice to MS patients for the last 12 years. I’ve been working with them closely, and I’ve seen nothing but this side of miraculous results with liquid zeolite and that population.
Question: Can people on kidney dialysis take liquid zeolite?
Rik: The question is What if they are already on dialysis? If there is renal insufficiency but they aren’t on dialysis, certainly use the product. There is no issue whatsoever. The danger with dialysis is only that dialysis patients are limited in the amount of water they can drink. To get the best results with liquid zeolite and to eliminate any potential side effects, you need to drink plenty of water. My recommendation with dialysis patients is simply to take a lower dose of liquid zeolite. You see, as you start to waste these heavy metals and toxins – they’re all considered to be electrolytic by the body – you will lose water. Liquid zeolite is not truly a diuretic. It’s simply the body stabilizing itself against its electrolyte load.
Now, of course, these electrolytes are bad electrolytes. There is nothing to replace. You simply want to get rid of this mercury, lead, cadmium, and other toxins. But the body is going to stabilize that loss by losing water. So if you use the regular detox dose [10 drops 3 times a day], you’re going to have to drink eight to ten glasses of water a day. If you don’t drink enough water, you could experience side effects; 99.9% of the side effects of this product are due to dehydration. A dialysis patient is not able to drink that much water. So the recommendation is to have dialysis patients use lower doses, more like 3 to 5 drops 3 times a day, and to drink what water they can. We have already seen that the zeolite is easily dialyzed out. So, during the normal dialysis, they will be sequestering and removing these toxins.
Question: I know a glass blower and a sculptor who are concerned about the toxicity of their trades, especially the silver and copper. They’re excited about the potential about this product. Is there anything you could talk to us about that, Rik?
Rik: I guess I would have to know exactly what hazardous materials they’re exposed to. Some copper is certainly necessary for general health, but hypercupremia can cause nerve dysfunction, etc. Copper is pretty low on the reactivity list [zeolite’s affinity for copper is low]. But what we’ve found is that the lower a compound is in its reactivity to the zeolite, the more concentration has to do with zeolite’s ability to sequester that compound. For example, iron is pretty low on the reactivity list but, if someone has hemochromatosis, or iron overload, some of that iron will be removed by the zeolite because there is such a high concentration of it. So if someone has hypercupremia, there is a great chance the zeolite will pull off some of that excess copper. But for someone who doesn’t, who has a regular copper load, they probably aren’t going to lose any of that copper due to the zeolite.
Silver is the same thing. It has very low reactivity with zeolite. Many people don’t want silver to be sequestered, because they’re taking colloidal silver, and they have a concern that the zeolite might remove that. But we’re looking at silver as part of our atomic-absorption spectroscopy series, studying urinary excretion of the heavy metals, and silver is very low on the affinity scale. So I don’t think we’re going to see much silver come off unless it is in incredibly high loads.
Question: How about the effect of the product with colloidal silver?
Rik: I’m not a proponent of colloidal silver, and I don’t want to get into that on this call. I know the history of it and, for the most part, I don’t recommend its use, except in a certain population. I don’t recommend it for general health. But zeolite is not contraindicated with colloidal silver. So if they’re using colloidal silver, they don’t have to worry about wasting the zeolite or the silver.
Question: One of the artist’s questions was about the aluminum that he works with, because he sculpts with aluminum, bronze, and other metals.
Rik: Metal workers have been indicated in a higher risk of Alzheimer’s disease and a higher risk of early-onset Parkinson’s disease. The belief is that these heavy metals do cause neurological dysfunction, and lead to known or easily identified disease states. Certainly we know that zeolite is going to take out a lot of these heavy metals. The last bit of research we did was that people were concerned that the aluminum in the product would get into the body, as an aluminum silicate. We proved that not only does all the aluminum in the zeolite come out, but additional aluminum was being excreted through the urine – which meant that it’s efficiently pulling out aluminum. Aluminum is about six metals down on the reactivity series, but that’s high enough that zeolite is actively pulling out aluminum from the body.
Question: Do you have any findings regarding liquid zeolite and children with ADHD or autism?
Rik: This was something completely new to me. I’d never studied autism. But after I received dozens of testimonials and reports about liquid zeolite's ability to increase awareness in autistic children, and increase activity in autistic children, I started looking into it. I found out that a lot of the issues had to do with deactivation of metallo-proteins. These are proteins and enzymes that use metals as co-factors. A lot of heavy metals can push away those cofactors. For example, mercury can displace magnesium in some cases, and lead or arsenic can displace zinc. So if you’re displacing these natural metals as cofactors of metallo-proteins, then everything starts to shut down. That seems to be the case with a lot of these autistic kids. We don’t know exactly which metals are so responsible. There has been a lot of research into mercury poisoning – for example, thimerosal in vaccines – for autistic children. Regarding ADD and ADHD, there have been a lot of new studies done using PET scans and spectroscopes, identifying seven or eight distinct types of ADD and ADHD due to different cofactors. Almost all of them have to do with activation or deactivation of metallo-proteins. So again, zeolite is acting very simply to remove heavy metals, allowing the system to work more efficiently. And, in that population, we’re seeing it as an increased reactivity or increased activity for improved neurological function.
Question: In our particular group, we’re experiencing incredible results with autistic children. We’re very excited about what this is doing for these kids. One of the things these kids are experiencing is chelation therapy. Rik, do you want to talk about how liquid zeolite is a natural chelator?
Rik: Absolutely. That is exactly what liquid zeolite is doing – it’s chelating or sequestering metals and removing them from the body. But it’s a much more efficient and much safer chelating agent. For example, a lot of people are using EDTA as a chelator. EDTA has a negative two charge, and it is only charge specific. It will take any plus two charge molecule out of the body. Certainly that includes lead, but it also includes calcium and magnesium. So when you’re chelating with EDTA, you have to keep adding calcium and magnesium back into the patient, and you wind up with diminishing results – where eventually all you’re chelating out is the calcium and magnesium that you keep adding back in, and you never get out all the heavy metals from the body.
That is one of the negatives. Another negative is that as it chelates to the metal, the metal is still available to the environment to react. That’s why chelators can cause a lot of kidney and bladder toxicity on their way out of the body. With zeolite, for the most part, heavy metals and toxins are absorbed into the zeolite cage and, for all practical purposes, they can no longer react with their surroundings. Zeolite is also very specific for the heavier metals. It has almost no reactivity towards calcium, magnesium, sodium, phosphorus, and the healthier elements. So it’s a really efficient, very active chelating agent that is specific not just for charge, but also for molecular size, shape, and even the structure of the molecule is important. In some cases, some molecules have something called “induced fit.” As they get closer to the zeolite, they actually change shape to be adsorbed onto the surface of the zeolite.
Question: This is from a woman who has severe osteoporosis: I’m taking a supplement that will stabilize strontium, calcium, and magnesium to help prevent further bone loss. I am taking liquid zeolite at the same time. Will the liquid Zeolite neutralize the effect of the three elements?
Rik: No. In fact, this particular zeolite [clinoptilolite] was used after the Chernobyl incident in Russia to remove radioactive strontium and cesium, which have a much higher reactivity towards the molecule. But non-radioactive strontium – non-ionized strontium – has very low affinity for zeolite. So, I don’t think it’s going to be an issue at all. In fact, by removing the other heavy metals, she’s probably going to get better reactivity of her protocol.
Question: Our concern is the product removes toxins too well, as opposed to not well enough, and that there is a need for colonic therapy while taking liquid zeolite to assist with the elimination of toxins from the body. What is your opinion on the need for this therapy concurrent with taking liquid zeolite?
Rik: It’s interesting. I’ve got to think of it in a more logical sense, because one of the big issues is compliance. I want people to be able to take something and very easily add it to their everyday usage. They can even carry a bottle around with themselves. I don’t want to say that everyone needs to go in and get colonics and other cleansings along with the liquid zeolite. But, I know that Dr. Gabriel Cousens, as well as others, has a protocol where he includes a lot of things on top of the liquid zeolite, and has incredible results with zero side effects. What we’ve seen in highly toxic environments, with people that have multiple chemical sensitivities and a lot of issues, maybe 1 to 2% of the general population does have some detox effects.
This could include a rash, could include swollen lymph, could include detox syndrome like nausea and headache that are not directly associated to dehydration but to the fact that they’re detoxing very fast and they have all these things moving around in the body. I call it “stirring the pot.” You know, you’re stirring all this stuff up, and it’s reacting in the body. In that population, they’re certainly going to benefit from additional cleansing. I will say that the company is launching two additional products into this detox/cleansing category, which will go hand in hand with liquid zeolite and make it work even more efficiently.
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